Mad*esh Kad*esh

I touched on the Kadesh Priesthood from Deuteronomy in this post. Granted, the Leviticus 18:21,22 verses don't state directly; "We are the Kadesh being talked about here and not homosexuals," but two points, if true, will leave the connection with the Kadesh to Leviticus without question.

1. That cult prostitution existed in Canaan at the time of the Israelites.
2. That the Canaanites prohibited homosexuality as a rule and that the prohibition in Leviticus 18:22 can't be anything but homosexuality in the context of only idolatry.

The first point is easily proven by the Bible Itself in 1 Kings 14:24 and 22:46:

"There were even male shrine prostitutes (qā·ḏêš) in the land... "

"He rid the land of the rest of the male shrine prostitutes (haq·qā·ḏêš)... "

This is also backed by the historical record.

The second point clinches it because Leviticus 18;3 states the Israelites were not to do the practices of the Canaanites:

"You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices."

Now if it can be shown that the Canaanites did not have homosexuality outside of their cult ceremonies or even prohibited homosexuality outside those ceremonies, that means homosexuality was not one of the Canaanite "practices" God is forbidding and Leviticus 18:22 falls squarely into the 'cult male prostitution' category.

We have no mention from the actual Canaanite record of homosexuality, pro or con, but In his book "The Hebrew Bible: New Insights and Scholarship," Frederick Greenspahn states the Canaanite law codes where directly copied from Mesopotamian law codes and what do we find in in the Mesopotamian law code?

"If a man has lain with his male friend and a charge is brought and proved against him, the same thing shall be done to him and he shall be made a eunuch."

A general prohibition of homosexuality outside pederasty and idolatry between two consenting adults. We can now say homosexuality was not only not a "practice,"  but it was also prohibited by the Canaanites. For God to make Leviticus 18:22 about homosexuality would have been redundant and pointless with what was already a law against homosexuality by the Canaanites.

The Hittites, close neighbors to the Canaanites, would also have copied the Mesopotamian law codes and sure enough we DO find a have a prohibition of homosexuality from them.

As for Egypt? The land the Israelites left who's practices they were ALSO forbidden to follow by God? Even homosexual desire was condemned according to the "Egyptian Book of the Dead" and Derrick Sherwin Bailey states the ancient Egyptians regarded homosexual practices as; "... morally objectionable and personally degrading."

So there you have it. Homosexuality was rejected by the Egyptians whom the children of Israel left, and it was also forbidden by the Canaanites who's land the children of Israel were going to. This would make homosexuality not one of the practices God is forbidding in Leviticus 18 verse 3 with the two lands and that would make the homosexuality in verse 22 only in the context of idolatry, a necessary evil in their cult religion with the Kadesh.


I add another name. Steven Tuell, Professor of Hebrew and Old Testament, Pittsburgh Theological Seminary. I found him by accident when I stumbled across his blog. What's unique about Mr. Tuell is that he's at the same school Robert Gagnon is at and I'm sure that makes for some awkward faculty meetings

In honor of Mr. Tuell who loves Appalachian music.



Scholar James Brownson on Gagnon's "Gender Complementarity"

"There is not a single case in the Tanakh which deals with homosexual acts in the context of homosexual love. Every case treats homosexuals who engage in homosexual acts as an expression of idolatry, of power (such as rape), or, presumably for fun.... "

- Conservative Rabbi Bradley Shavit Artson.


Colby Martin on Romans

Months ago I posted a "NALT" (Not All Like That) vid on here.
Colby's video (he was an actor from San Diego who's wife just gave birth to a baby girl) was the one I posted out of the many and I see now he's gone further in his studies.
Just a refresher, NALT is an organization made up of affirming straight Christians.


I didn't know this posted when It was only meant to be a draft just for my eyes, but anyways...

I really don't believe Tom Kent is a bad guy, I say this when I compare him to all the others I have dealt with who have even a simple knowledge of this subject. He's admitted to me he's wrong on several points and that's more than I can say for most I debate. I also wanted to say that your input over there was great and you really know your stuff.

Hope you're having an awesome New Year.


Pastor Randy Morgan

A powerful sermon from a Pentecostal Pastor.

I'm taking a break from putting up new postings. I'll still check my blog on a daily bases for any new comments.

"By wisdom a house is built, and by understanding it is established; by knowledge the rooms are filled with all precious and pleasant riches.
Finally, brothers, rejoice. Aim for restoration, comfort one another, agree with one another, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you."


Proverbs 24:3-4, Cor. 13:11.


Charles Stanley

Lay Christians like to listen to "Preachers" rather than the real Bible "Teachers." The latter can go to the Bible languages of Christ and Paul to get what both were saying. Having a familiarity with the ancient texts outside the Bible is also a tool they go to that shines a better light on certain passages. We know the story of the good Samaritan, but if you go to the outside sources of the Bible, you'll know that the Jews and the Samaritans were mortal enemies and knowing that gives more depth to the Samaritan story with making him different from the previous two passerby's who saw the robbed man on the side of the road.

Old school "Preachers," like Charles Stanley, talk from a cursory read of the Bible that they picked up at a local Christian book store and that's the extent of their knowledge with the passages. Bible scholars are just too involved and they need you to invest in study with them and the average pew Christian just doesn't want to bother when they can have people like Stanley around to spoon feed on subjects they don't have a vested interest in like homosexuality. It helps Stanley in that he comes off like a kindly grandpa who must know what he's talking about because he's been around longer than you.

This is Stanley on a gay Christian who's parents are having all kinds of problems with him because he won't follow the Christianity of his parents' preachers who condemn him, instead he follows the Christianity taught by teachers and that doesn't sit well with Stanley at all who makes it sound it's all about the gay Christian's "feelings." Stanley believes gays have no joy or happiness no matter what gays say, he's lying in saying that you can change your orientation if you want to (I find this personally offensive because of the experiences my partner went through with wanting to change with all his soul, a change that never happened), hints the son is going to Hell unlike a Tim Keller I just posted on and that the parents should make the life of their Christian gay son miserable with not accepting him and if they don't they are disobeying God Himself.

[All the YouTube videos I post here I try to get in HD, some just don't have it and I'm stuck posting blurry vids because those are the only ones out there]

A little story...

A few years ago a gay pride parade had a route going past his church. Needless to say Stanley was furious and told his church goers to stand outside on the church steps and scream Scripture and condemnation on them, and they did. Across the street was a Methodist church (St. Marks) who instead of screaming and accusing, passed out plastic cups of water to the parade passerby's because it was a hot day. Who was the greater of the two with the witness of the Gospel?
Don't ask Stanley.