Saturday

Pentecostal Confidential

Greg Laurie is the Pastor of a mega-church that's not far from 'The Happiest Place On Earth' in Orange County. He trots out all the same tired lines one would expect on homosexuality, but what I didn't know until today, and what Greg won't tell you, is that Greg was brought to the knowledge of salvation from a gay man named Lonnie Frisbee (I posted an old vid of Lonnie). Greg has called gays "the enemy," but was it an enemy that brought you to Christ Greg? Scratching a little deeper, I find this beast was baptized by Lonnie when he left the gay affirming Church. It's like Six Degrees of Lonnie Frisbee.

{After I posted this, I recieved word Laurie edited his church page. This is what he deleted:

"God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27) and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true with homosexuality."}

I never delved into the story of Frisbee because it's a sad one. His story took place in the time of the flower children of the 60's, how God used him in founding some of the most influential Pentecostal churches (Calvary Chapel, Vineyard) around today and how he was ran out on a rail (sound familiar?), blotted out of church history, and left to die of AIDS outside of the churches that once embraced him.

I could go into Brant Baker who mirrors Lonnie's tale or the oddness of the Paul Cain case, but that is for another time on a dark and cold night my child.








"I first heard the gospel message from him and responded when I was 17. As did thousands of others around the world. He helped father three great moves of God. Did you know that when he was last in Africa, ten young men gave their lives to Jesus Christ? And that those ten men each went out from Lonnie's meeting and started ten churches each? And that a "Jesus People type" revival swept across Africa as a result of those churches? How many souls can say that you first brought the gospel message to them?"

- David Sloane.


{When I quoted the above from David yesterday, I left out the last part of this quote that said; "... Were you there when he told me that he had been deeply wrong in his prior conduct and "was now paying the price for it?" Now David was talking about Lonnie's homosexuality, the implication being because he was gay, AIDS was the price he paid for it, a sentiment apparently shared by Lonnie himself from some alleged audio tapes Lonnie made before he died. I tried to make David look good with the above quote and wanted to keep out the disagreement I had with David on the last apart of what he said, but this is what I wrote back on the entirety of his quote:

"He was used mightily of God, but he was a practicing homosexual and this showed God used A GAY MAN, not a FORMER gay man, not a NON-PRACTICING gay man. Lonnie was never to find peace with his homosexuality because of those around him like Chuck Smith (Smith is a whole other story) who loved and used his anointing, just not the homosexuality that came with it. I noticed in defending Lonnie you couldn't leave out the shot how he felt he was "paying the price" for what you probably believe was his homosexuality when instead it was the price for promiscuity. Why was he promiscuous? Because Lonnie believed a same-sex relationship couldn't be blessed by God. He reaped the fruit of what he was TAUGHT. 

There is a move of the Holy Spirit with calling God's gay and lesbian children to the table as they are and a moving in "straight" churches with God telling them "These are mine also." It's too late for Lonnie, but he's in Glory seeing what is happening with those of us like him and praising God."

David wrote me back when I was eating cereal:

"Frank, 

Thanks for your perspective. There are many in the Body of Christ today who believe that God is going to move mightily in the homosexual communities. I think Meri Crouley has said this a time or two. The fact is there are actually safe and friendly environments where homosexuals do come together as a Church. Anyone visiting them can not deny the presence of the Holy Spirit that they experience while there. Evidence that God loves all of us and is not willing that anyone should perish. The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 Peter 2:3 All of us are born into sin and are sinners in the eyes of God. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; Romans 3:10 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:6 Thank God for His mercy and grace! God bless you. 

David Sloane."


Now David sounds great, but I looked up "Meri Crouley" and yet again we find another "Prophetess," with a talk show no less, and who's her favorite guest? Walid Shoebat. Let me familiarize you with some quotes from Mr. Shoebat, a former Palestinian terrorist:

"The homosexual movement is the most hateful and most vile group in all of the Western world. The sodomites are supremacists; they believe that they have the superior lifestyle, a disposition and constitution more superior than the “others,” who they consider as inferior breeders. This is the ideology of sodomism."

"Sodomism is the ideology of homosexual superiority, in which the homosexuals desire to usher in — through propaganda, violence and state coercion — a utopia in which homosexuality is seen as a supreme ideal, and those who believe in the conjugal union as is affirmed and established by the Christian Faith, are viewed and treated as enemies."

"We are deliberately neglecting this ill called the sodomite and his pernicious goals, all in the name of tolerance and a feigned Christian love. Love is not about accepting everyone they are, it is often enough about purging the wicked to preserve the innocent. To outlaw the sodomite, would be to protect children whom the sodomite is pursuing to recruit for their demoniacal scheme."

OUCH!}

I like to believe David didn't know the opinions of Walid on homosexuality, otherwise I doubt he would have brought up the show that gives him a platform for these views. Only David knows. Crouly is a different story and to have such a poisonous person, a man avoided even by other anti-gay Christians, is without excuse.



I'm sure this post is only interesting to those with a Pentecostal bent, but I try to keep my brethren in the news because nothing is ever going on with Pentecostals other than the rent. Bet you didn't know Denzel Washington and Nick Jonas were pente.


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